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Different axle widths for SAS
      #338817 - 08/27/04 03:06 AM

Here's a small list of popular (and not so) axles used for Nissan SAS purposes. So you can compare widthts among brands and against the factroy H233b for example.

(F) = Front
(R) = Rear

Toyota
Mini (Hilux) 79-85 (F) 8" 55" (pass side drop)
Mini (Hilux) 79-85 (R) 8" 55"
Mini (Hilux) 86+ (R) 8" 58"
4Runners 96+ (R) 8" 60"
Tundra/T100 (R) 8.4" 66"
FJ40.45.55 (F) 57" (pass side drop)
FJ40.45.55 (R) 55"
FJ60.62 (F) 60" (pass side drop)
FJ60.62 (R) 58"
FJ80 (F) 64" (pass side drop)
FJ80 (R) 63.5"

Ford
Bronco 77 (F) Dana 44 58"
Bronco 77 (R) Ford 9" 57"
F250 78-79 (F) Dana 60 69.25" (driver side drop, king pin, leaf spring span: 31.5")
F350 78-79 (F) Dana 60 69.25" (driver side drop, king pin, leaf spring span: 31.5")
F350 '85-'91.5 (F) Dana 60 69.25" (driver side drop, king pin, leaf spring span: 36.5")
F350 '92-'99 (F) Dana 60 69.25" (driver side drop, balljoint, spring span: 36.5")
1/2 Ton '70 (F) Dana 44 65" (high pinion)
1/2 Ton '70 (R) Dana 60 65"

Chevy
K30 '79-'87 (F) Dana 60 69.5" (pass. side drop, king pin, leaf spring span: 32")
K30 CC '88-'91 (F) Dana 60 69.5" (pass. side drop, king pin, leaf spring span: 32")

Jeep
Cherokee Chief 81 (F) Dana 44 61"
Grand Wagoneer 89 (F) Dana 44 61.5"
Wagoneer 81 (F) Dana 44 60.5"
CJ-6 74 (F) Dana 30 51.5"
CJ-6 74 (R) Dana 44 50"
CJ-7 83 (F) Dana 30 56"
CJ-7 83 (R) AMC 20 55"
TJ Rubicon 03 (F) Dana 44 61"
TJ Rubicon 03 (R) Dana 44 60"

International
Scout 80 (R) Dana 44 60"

Mercedes
Unimog (F) 404 69" (driver's side drop)
Unimog (R) 404 69" (centered)
Unimog (F) U-1300 82"
Unimog (R) U-1300 82"
Unimog (F) 411 55.5"
Unimog (R) 411 55.5"

Nissan
Hardbody (D21) 86.5-97 (R) H233B 59"
Hardbody (D21) 86.5-90 (R) C200 59"
Frontier (D22) 99-2000 (R) H233B 62.5"

Isuzu
Trooper II 87 (R) Corporate 59"
Rodeo pre-'97 (R) Dana 44 58" (sua)
Rodeo 97-99 (R) Dana 44 60.5" (4-link)
Rodeo 00-03 (R) Dana 44 63" (4-link)

KIA
2000 Sportage (R) 60"


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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: JPVM]
      #346361 - 10/06/04 07:03 PM

Extra Info on the Jeepers. It wasn't until the 80s before Jeep switched to the driver side drop. Anything before the 80s were passenger side drop axles. For the '83-'85 models since they came with vacuum disconnects. These axles are worthless.

'74-75 Wagoneer frnt-59" rr-57.5"
'74-75 Cherokee (full size) frnt-58.8' rr-57.5"
'76-91 Wagoneer, '80+ Cher frnt-59.4" rr-57.8"
'76-79 Cherokee (full size) frnt-59.2" rr-57.8"
'76-78 Cherokee S frnt-59.5" rr-58.5"
'76-80 Cherokee Chief 2 dr. frnt-65.4" rr-62.3"
'81-83 Cherokee Chief 2 dr. frnt-65.3" rr-62.3"


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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Cuong Nguyen]
      #348511 - 10/18/04 12:31 AM

I've got a drivers drop from an 87 wagoneer and seriously thinking about doing a 350 swap before winter. so i might end up with a 70's jeep axle rather than the one i have cause of the oposite side drop.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Pooge]
      #348521 - 10/18/04 01:20 AM

I picked up my axle the other day. It's a 70s D44 from a Jeep waggy narrow track. The WMS-WMS measurements are around 61-62". The previous post is somewhat outdated. I'm still doing some more research on the axle to figure out what year has what and changes.


The Dana 44

This document is in progress, these are my notes so far.

Mid 70's Ford F100 will have a 61" wide 44 but it will be 5X5.5
87 88 and 89 With the Factory Towing package XJ's had these.

'81 or newer full size Waggoneer.
Do NOT get the front from an '83 - '84 with vacume disconnect.
There are two widths to Waggy axles 60 inch wms to wms or 65 wms wms
there is not a 65" waggy 44 front. yes the wide track cherokees may have a front d44 in the 65" ball park but noth the waggys. the waggys had the 61" fronts and 59" rears and the narrow track cherokees were the same. the wide track cherokee had the wider axles

narrow-track Wagoneers had Dana44 axles that were 58.4" WMS to WMS

75-79 are passenger side pumpkin, disk brake, (my 76 had flattopped knuckles)

80-91 are driver side pumpkin disk braked.
2.72,3.08,3.54 are the most common gear ratios Ive seen.

some 80 and newer had a vacum disconnect you should steer clear of.

they are considered half ton,

the rears 79 and older are dana 44s, mostly offset ( Quadratrack) but some where centered.

80-85 ( or 86) where amc20 rears, but heavy duty, way better than the CJ amc20, some or all after 85 ( or 86) where centered dana 44 rears again

all rears 1980 and later were centered.

6 lugs = half ton 8 lugs = 3/4 ton ( in this era of Jeeps)

the narrow tracks are 62-63 front
59-60 rear

wide tracks are 65 front, 63 rear.

If it has fenderflares on it.. its a wide track.
If the fenders are molded into the sheetmetal.. its a narrow track.

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J means Jeep
6 the year of manuafactur ( 1976)
A ( A = auto, F = 3 speed stick, M= 4 speed stick)
16 means its a narrow cherokee, 17 would be widetrack chero
15 would be a wag,`18 would be a 4 door cherokee
N ( GVW n=6200,e=4150,p=6800)
N (n=3602v,z=401)

**They put in narrow tracks until 1979. In 1980 the went wide track.
Wide Track Wagoneer axles are driverside diff. They came out in 1980. The Narrow track Wagoneer axles are passengerside diff and were put in until 1979.
cherokees can be wide or narrow, and they were made that way from the mid 70s until the late 80s, before 1980 there were wide and narrow versions of the cherokee, they all had passenger sidfe diffs. 1980 and later were all drivers side diff, and narrow or widetrack

before 1979 there were ONLY narrow versions of the wagoneer, they had passenger side diffs
after 1980 there were ONLY narrow versions of the wagoneer, with drivers side diffs.


wagoneer thats a model 15, a model 16 is a cherokee narrow track.

cherokee wide tracks are 65 inches wide (WMS-WMS) just like a Jtruck.

Scout rear d44's are about 58" WMS-WMS, 3/16 tube

Pasted from http://www.rps4wd.com/tech/dana44.htm


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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Cuong Nguyen]
      #348598 - 10/18/04 05:55 PM

excellent post, and 100% correct as far as what i have researched on my own. great advice for someone new to SAS work, This kind of info helped me a great deal cause i was clueless about it when i started. so read up all you wanna-be solid axle nissan drivers. its not as hard as you think!!!

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Pooge]
      #348647 - 10/18/04 10:02 PM

Doesn't this deserve a stick?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: cobidawg]
      #351332 - 11/02/04 03:02 PM

hey would an axle from a patrol like snabelost's work for sas too?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: smdepew1976]
      #351336 - 11/02/04 03:09 PM

The diff is on the wrong side, you could make one work like people have made Yota axles work.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: 95HardbodyXEV6]
      #351341 - 11/02/04 03:41 PM

would it be posible to use the tranny and t-case from the patrol....assuming you could bolt it to the engine?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: smdepew1976]
      #351358 - 11/02/04 04:57 PM

Why not turn the Patrol axle upside down? =)

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Snabelost]
      #351380 - 11/02/04 06:36 PM

Quote:

Why not turn the Patrol axle upside down? =)





It would be cool to see the front tires going backwards while the rear one go forward. You woulnd't get very far but it'd be cool!

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: BGAIDAN]
      #351401 - 11/02/04 07:41 PM

what part(s) is it that you have to replace to make the upsidedown one work?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: rookiebuilder]
      #351456 - 11/02/04 10:38 PM

It'd be pointless and a waste of time and money to make it work. Much better off finding another axle suitable.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: BGAIDAN]
      #351493 - 11/03/04 08:28 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Why not turn the Patrol axle upside down? =)





It would be cool to see the front tires going backwards while the rear one go forward. You woulnd't get very far but it'd be cool!




LOL, didn't think of that issue! But what if i also flip the rear axle??

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Snabelost]
      #351515 - 11/03/04 10:00 AM

Then you'd just have 4 or 5 reverse gears and one forward!

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: BGAIDAN]
      #351666 - 11/03/04 10:26 PM

I may have just got lucky, found in local trading post

comp 4wd setup for 1981 jeep wagoneer, both axles compl with springs and tires, 208 transfer case and 727 torque flite trans, good condition $300

anyone want a rear axle, trans and case ?

i'm calling the guy tommorrow

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: BGAIDAN]
      #351717 - 11/04/04 08:56 AM

Quote:

Then you'd just have 4 or 5 reverse gears and one forward!




Naaa.... 8 or 10 reverse and 2 forward! =)


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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Cuong Nguyen]
      #351741 - 11/04/04 10:22 AM

it might be pointless, but what would it take. just act like all you needed in the firstplace was the housing.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: rookiebuilder]
      #351747 - 11/04/04 10:58 AM

It's entirely possible to take a passenger side drop and simply cut off the tubes and ends and swap them. Then just swap the shaft to opposite sides.

It's time consuming and expensive and really just easier to find the driver's drop in the first place.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: BGAIDAN]
      #351941 - 11/05/04 03:41 AM

Quote:

It's entirely possible to take a passenger side drop and simply cut off the tubes and ends and swap them. Then just swap the shaft to opposite sides.

It's time consuming and expensive and really just easier to find the driver's drop in the first place.






It's a bunch of work to get everything taken apart without destroying the parts you need. Then to put it all back together you need to have some precise equipment to keep everything in the right place. You have to make sure that both tubes are straight and in line with each other, then you have to get the knuckles back on at the proper angle, and matched both sides. On top of that, you'd be welding the extruded steel tube to the cast housing and knuckles, which is a lengthy process to ensure a proper bonding of the metals. Everything has to be pre heated, the welded, then slow cooled otherwise the tube will cool off quicker than the cast pieces and the welds will crack.

Of course, if you really had a bone for doing it, and the money to throw at it, go ahead.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: grimgreg]
      #351950 - 11/05/04 04:24 AM

oh ok sounds like it's going to be easier to just buy the whole patrol and figure out how to get it DOT approved......sounds a lot less work and $$$

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: smdepew1976]
      #351964 - 11/05/04 05:35 AM

i wasn't planning on doing it i just wanted to know so thanks

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: smdepew1976]
      #352018 - 11/05/04 10:00 AM

Quote:

oh ok sounds like it's going to be easier to just buy the whole patrol and figure out how to get it DOT approved......sounds a lot less work and $$$




If you bring it when/if your moving back to the states there should be no problem, rigth?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Snabelost]
      #352126 - 11/05/04 10:03 PM

well all the glass has to be DOT approved safety glass....and some cars the lights have to be changed too....and then theres alll the legal paper work that customs has to clear....still the cheapest /easiest way to get a solid front axled nissan.....

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: smdepew1976]
      #360038 - 12/27/04 07:52 PM

Here's some info from JeepTech as far as axle width, years, and models:

Dana 44 Front:
-SJ (Grand Wagoneer) 82-91 Narrow Track width: 59"
- Wide Track width:?

Dana 44 Rear:
-XJ (Cherokee) 84-? (I think 91) width: 60.75"
-SJ Narrow Track 62-81 width: 59"
-MJ (Comanche, the pick-up truck) 85-92 width: 60.75"
Stay away from CJ D44s, they're 54.5" for Wide Track and used 19/27 spline count. It's also not a good deal to get a rear Dana 44 since they're ring gear is much smaller than the H233B's.

Dana 60:
-J series Pick-Up Narrow Track 63-81 width:?
This will probably be the hardest thing to find since most of them have rusted down to nothing.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Bidi]
      #361093 - 01/03/05 07:24 PM

so are there any particular front axles that have the same or close enough gear ratio to match up with the stock H233b rear axle? I am seriously looking into a solid axle swap this comeing summer, first on the list is picking up the axle, then figureing out how much over all lift I want, then the spring will be purchased. I would idealy like about 4-5 inches of lift over stock(I am currently running the AC susp. lift and a 2" body lift). thanks for the advice people.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: davidshourd]
      #361094 - 01/03/05 07:28 PM

Not really, Yota axles use close to the same ratios, but the diff is on the wrong side. You should just plan on having to buy new gears for what ever axle you get.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: 95HardbodyXEV6]
      #361099 - 01/03/05 07:59 PM

what is the process for getting an axle re-geared? and probably get it locked while its open?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: davidshourd]
      #361107 - 01/03/05 08:37 PM

It's hard. The rule of thumb is: "If you need to ask, you can't do it." Not even the most experienced home mechanics attempt this type of job. The reason for that is because if everything is not 100% correct, the axle tends to explode.

You'll need to find a good shop, that you can trust. This type of work pretty much puts your life (and lots of your money) on the line, you want it done right the first time.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: davidshourd]
      #361118 - 01/03/05 09:29 PM

The reason it's not as simple as pulling out the old and putting in the new is that there are certain clearances on the gears, and a certain way they need to mesh. Different axels have different tolerances and different methods of adjustment for both the carrier/ ring gear and the pinion. Most use shims, but some have other ways.

If you get a good install kit, have the right tools, and can follow directions you can do it yourself. It does involve a lot of assemblely, disasemblely to get it reset correctly. I've lent a hand a couple times to people who know what they were doing and it took them no less than three tries every time. Add to that that the shims usually go behind the bearings, and you're talking a lot of work getting those bearrings on and off to get the right stack of shims.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: grimgreg]
      #361303 - 01/04/05 08:04 PM

would it be any easier replacing the rear member (h233b) over the dana, regarding the gear ratio? are there any particular leaf springs that would put me maybe an inch or so over the AC susp lift for the front? thanks again.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: davidshourd]
      #362077 - 01/08/05 08:34 PM

I was looking into gear ratios of different axles and it is just as you guys said that there are no front axles with my H233b gear ratio (4.375:1). would it be easier and cheaper in some cases to just replace the rear axle with the comparable front axle. for example if I were to come across a narrow track wagoneer I could take the front axle and rear axle and not have the axle gear ratio issue any more? also what is the spline count on the front and rear drive shafts on the nissans? how do you adderess that problem? any input would be greatly appriciated. thanks

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: davidshourd]
      #362085 - 01/08/05 09:25 PM

That's what I did. It pained me to not to use the stock rear, but it came down to money in the end. I used a rear D44 from an '89 Grand Waggy (Centered D44's only came on the later 80's Waggys). Waggys never came in narrow or wide track they have "their" size(s). Cherokees came in the wide and narrow track. For me it was cheaper to do it this way because of how I built it up. This solution works for me and my circumstances so in the end it was less expensive and gave me more bang for the buck.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Mookie]
      #362136 - 01/09/05 01:45 AM

what kind of mods on the drivelines were needed for that?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: davidshourd]
      #362160 - 01/09/05 11:36 AM

You'd most likely need a new rear shaft although you may get away with using the old one and just changing the u-joing/flange. Then brake lines...

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: BGAIDAN]
      #362261 - 01/09/05 09:11 PM

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You'd most likely need a new rear shaft although you may get away with using the old one and just changing the u-joing/flange. Then brake lines...




Yes, I think if you kept your height low enough, you would be able to use the stock one as noted above by BGAIDAN.
I had to have a rear one made as I went up high. i Probably should have just had the stock one lengthend...


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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: davidshourd]
      #362760 - 01/11/05 09:24 PM

I ordered the #&*! steering system today so I can hold out for the solid axle swap this summer. In the mean time I am going to look into finding an old jeep cherokee or wagoneer that I can take the front and back axle off of. if I found a jeep with say 5.something:1 ratio axles what would happen to my over all speed/acceleration? and speedo? thanks again guys.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: davidshourd]
      #362816 - 01/12/05 07:03 AM

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if I found a jeep with say 5.something:1 ratio axles what would happen to my over all speed/acceleration? and speedo? thanks again guys.

David Shourd



Assuming that you currently have stock ratio (less than 5:1) and the tires would remain the same, it would make:
Speed - topend may be less
Acceleration - would be better
speedo - would display faster than you are actually going.
If you increase your tire size by the same ratio as your increase in gears, then all should be relatively the same.

Of course, don't forget that if you change the gearing in the front end, you also have to make a change in the rear end to match.


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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: jrmefford]
      #362826 - 01/12/05 08:12 AM

If you're planning a SAS top speed and acceleration probly shouldn't be at the top of your list of things to be worried about.

Speed and acceleration go right out the door when you build a rig like this.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: davidshourd]
      #362937 - 01/12/05 04:49 PM

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if I found a jeep with say 5.something:1 ratio axles what would happen to my over all speed/acceleration? and speedo? thanks again guys.



First thing, you'll never find a Jeep with 5:1 ratios.

If you're looking at Cherokees and Wagoneers you'll only be finding the High Pinion Dana 30. Which, by the way, is a very good axle for up to 33" tires if left stock, beyond that you'll need to upgrade shafts and and the what-nots. There's a rock crawler out there running 38"ers on a HP Dana 30 with the works, as far as I know he never broke it. Another issue with these axles is that they'll all be 5x4.5" or 5x5.5" bolt pattern (standard Jeep pattern), it's not expensive to get it redrilled though at a machine shop though. Something else to think about is that the HP D30 can only be geared to 4.88:1.

For a Dana 44 you'll want a Grand Wagoneer. You'll know one when you see it, they're fairly big. This is probably going to be the only matching bolt pattern you'll find for the Nissan too (6x5.5"). This is the axle most people use, which is probably the one you're looking for.

Stay away from Grand Cherokees and TJ Wranglers, they both have the Low Pinion Dana 30, which is 30% weaker than the HP model. Also, from 87-95 Jeep (only on YJ and Cherokees) was using this crappy vacuum activated axle disconnect that is prone to failure. There's an upgrade out there that makes it cable activated and does wonders. If you upgrade the axle shafts you don't need to worry about this though, just get one piece shafts. Jeep continued using the HP D30 on Cherokees until 2001 (end of production), so you can find the HP D30 quite easily.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: 95HardbodyXEV6]
      #376039 - 02/23/05 10:31 PM

using scout dana 44s on my new 720. thinking of using waggoner or chevy springs too

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: ForestDaveGump]
      #393964 - 05/04/05 01:33 PM

what is better? TO use and front axle that it wider than the rear axle...or narrower than the front axle?

AND has anyone done a coil SAS using early Bronco radius arms on a Frontier?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Luv2ski35]
      #393973 - 05/04/05 02:42 PM

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what is better? TO use and front axle that it wider than the rear axle...or narrower than the front axle?



Didn't understand that too well. But if you want decent handling, it's good to have a wider front axle. Will help you corner better.

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AND has anyone done a coil SAS using early Bronco radius arms on a Frontier?



A few people have done it on Pathys and HBs, haven't seen anything on a Frontier yet, though.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Luv2ski35]
      #394004 - 05/04/05 05:31 PM

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what is better? TO use and front axle that it wider than the rear axle...or narrower than the front axle?





Wider in front, if the widths are different from the factory, it seems they are generally wider in the front, I know my D44 is 69.5" wide and the 14-bolt is 67" wide.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Bidi]
      #394076 - 05/04/05 10:10 PM

Here is a pic of a Fronty that has the Ford radius arm suspention. He is using coil-overs for his front springs. I wish I had the rest of the pics, but lost them all when my HD died one me a year ago. BTW, my truck has 6" of lift and 33's, he had 35's on his.


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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Mr Reverse]
      #395954 - 05/11/05 07:23 PM

rondo is using a radius arm set up but its not the Ford setup at all. Hes using heims (though i think he recently changed it) to flex more than the ford system would allow without a wristed arm set up. John over on N4W, Datz510, swapped in a Ford radius arm setup from an EB then wristed the arm to get over the flex issue

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: FrontCC]
      #395987 - 05/11/05 09:58 PM

My bad, I ment to say Ford radius arm style(it really is based off the radius arm design) rather than it being the Ford radius arm. That is Rondo's truck in the pic there, anybody know where he is now days?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Bidi]
      #515870 - 12/20/06 05:25 PM

HP dana 44
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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Cuong Nguyen]
      #521284 - 01/17/07 01:37 AM

Why are the disconnect 44 axles worthless?
I have a 84 waggy 44 I was gonna use for SAS

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: WoodsRunner]
      #560407 - 09/10/07 12:33 AM

Hey im about to do a sas in my hardbody and i was wondering what you guys here were running as far as axle width goes. I have a 64.5" wide d44 out of a waggy but im thinkin thats a bit wider then i would like. Its also a daily driver. So i am thinkin about gettin slightly shorter axle shafts and cuttin the housing down a bit. The up side to that is i can reduce my drive line angle and get my caster right at the same time.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Snabelost]
      #565054 - 10/24/07 03:34 AM

Yea im new to this site and my pathfinder....my ? is i have a 1990 pathfinder and i want to sas it....whats the best axle to use?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: JPVM]
      #570593 - 12/20/07 01:49 AM

grand waggys are 60.5 and waggys are 64.5 wide...i used a hybrid of the too to make it 62.5..works great

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: fnnissan]
      #573205 - 01/19/08 06:52 PM

what is the width of a 96-99 pathfinder h233b? is it 63 inches?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: sammyb33]
      #573207 - 01/19/08 06:56 PM

I thought grand waggy's where the wider ones?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: curleyman]
      #573253 - 01/20/08 12:37 AM

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I thought grand waggy's where the wider ones?




x2, think you have them backwards. I mostly see them refered to as wide trac waggy axles. I dont think I have ever seen a build that used them.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Bacho]
      #573262 - 01/20/08 01:48 AM

70s cherokee chief front D44 64.5" WMS-WMS. Pass drop of course. I had one.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Snabelost]
      #577343 - 02/28/08 01:31 AM

WAGONEER = 60.5" WMS-WMS

GRAND WAGONEER = 64.5" WMS-WMS

they share the same spring pad-spring pad distances and each side is exactly 2" longer on the wagoneer. I used a shaft from each to create a 62.5"wms-wms. Dont ask.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: fnnissan]
      #577344 - 02/28/08 01:35 AM

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WAGONEER = 60.5" WMS-WMS

GRAND WAGONEER = 64.5" WMS-WMS

they share the same spring pad-spring pad distances and each side is exactly 2" longer on the wagoneer. I used a shaft from each to create a 62.5"wms-wms. Dont ask.




scratch that its the other way around..
waggy = 64.5
grand waggy = 60.5

its as simple as that. those are the two different widths.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: fnnissan]
      #593034 - 01/19/09 05:38 PM

No no....all Full sized Jeep Wagoneers, and Full sized 2-door Cherokee (except as noted below) were 60.5.

The wide tracks are the Full size 2-door Cherokee Chief (before 79), Full sized 2-door Cherokee Laredo (79-82?) and all J-10/20 trucks.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: rwpotter]
      #593094 - 01/21/09 12:15 PM

lol ok then how did i get a 64.5 wide d44 off a waggy? and ive come across a couple more since then too.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: fnnissan]
      #593479 - 01/30/09 11:25 PM

Just a guess...your confused between a FSJ (full size jeep) Cherokee an FSJ Wagoneer and an XJ Cherokee. If you truly have a 64.5 axle it came off of a widetrack FSJ Cherokee (or pickup) with 2 doors and fender flares not a FSJ wagoneer with 4 doors and no fender flares.

This is an XJ it does not have a dana 44....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/Jeep_Cherokee_2-door.jpg

FSJ Cherokees were 2 doors and FSJ wagoneers were 4 doors. FSJ Wagoneers (4 doors) were never made with the wide track.

This is a full sized Cherokee with the wide axles, it only has 2 doors and the fender flares are the clue that it is a 64.5 axle. 1976?-1979 were passenger drop dana 44's, 1980-1983 were driver drop dana 44's. This is not a Wagoneer or Grand Wagoneer as it does not have 4 doors. These were discontinued in 1983, the smaller XJ model Cherokee was introduced in 1984.

http://www.bjsoffroad.com/images/large/kimgrisko80.jpg

This is a full size Cherokee without the wide axles...2 doors, no fender flares. I don't think these 2 door narrow track models were made after 1978. 1976?-1978 Passenger drop Dana 44 front.

http://www.bjsoffroad.com/images/large/kirkwilbur.jpg

This is a wagoneer... all wagoneers used the 60.5 axles, all had 4 doors, none had fender flares (with 4 doors there is not room for the flares) I think these were made up to 1983. 1976?-1979 passenger drop dana 44 front, 1980-1983 driver drop dana 44 front.

http://www.bjsoffroad.com/images/large/edhamlin83.jpg

This is a grand wagoneer (mostly just a name change), 4 doors, no flares, all grand wagoneers used 60.5 axles. I think these were made starting 1984. Driver drop dana 44.

http://www.bjsoffroad.com/images/large/flintboardman88gw.jpg



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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: rwpotter]
      #593518 - 01/31/09 05:31 PM

Just A look at Dana 44 vacuum disconnect axle this jeep axle is junk anysize [image][/image]

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Toddsnismo]
      #593520 - 01/31/09 05:44 PM

The Dana 30 has the vacuum disconnect cut in to the long axle tube also junk [image][/image]

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: Toddsnismo]
      #593579 - 02/01/09 03:35 PM

well i dont know what to tell you cause the vehicle i got my 64.5" wms-wms d44 out of had the wagoneer badge on it. along with the couple others ive seen the past couple years.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: fnnissan]
      #593584 - 02/01/09 04:42 PM

I guess your special...take a picture next time....Maybe it's a Canadian version...was it two or four doors?

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: rwpotter]
      #593610 - 02/01/09 11:29 PM

i dont remember honestly but if i run into one again ill take a pic with my phone at least.

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: fnnissan]
      #594103 - 02/11/09 10:53 AM

well after reading the entire post, i cant wait to sas my path...only thing...it says d21 h233b are 59'' wide, are the 89-95 wd21 h233b are the same ??

i own a 95 xe with drums, and i foud a 93 with disc that im about to pick up also...anyone knows if they are the same width??

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Re: Different axle widths for SAS [Re: 95WD21]
      #594142 - 02/11/09 11:13 PM

they are

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